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Quote taek9th Replybullet Topic: New Gaming PC - £2000
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Hi all,

I'm new to PC gaming, made the move from 360 and can't wait to get started but have little idea of where to start (last built a PC for myself back in.. 1999).

I've got around £2000 and another £600 for monitor + mouse + keyboard.

I've spent hours playing with specs and I'm completely indecisive. I was thinking of the Zeus Thunder Max or the Liquid i7 Poseidon without any modifications (but I find myself slowly adding loads to them and hiking up the price:P ). I'm probably going to get a 3D monitor (ASUS VG278H) unless someone has a better idea, so will the GTX 680 be suitable? Or should I think of 570 SLi setup? Should I bother with SSD? For 2 grand I want to make sure I'm getting the right system.

I want to play mostly shooters (BF3, Crysis etc), and the odd MMO/RPG (and more).

Any help much appreciated!

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Quote Cyber_Tech Replybullet Posted: 03/May/2012 at 10:25
I based this on the Zeus Thunder range:



£2570 inc VAT

Best balance of performance and value includes:
Ivy-Bridge 3570K XXX OC (up to 4.8GHz)
GTX570 1.2GB SLi
256GB Crucial M4 SSD + 2TB HDD
ASUS 27" 3D Screen
Roccat Valo & Kone Keyboard and Mouse.

For BF3 in some ways you'd be better with a single 680 as you won't have SLI issues like stuttering and potentially higher minimum frame rates.

With £2K for a base unit getting an SSD is advisable and I've included one of the best.

To avoid hiking the price too much I've gone with the Non Hyper-Threaded 3570K as some people have improved BF3 performance by disabling Hyper Threading so why pay for a feature you wont need and may cause performance issues.



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Quote taek9th Replybullet Posted: 03/May/2012 at 13:04
Thanks for the sound advice - few tweaks and I've ordered!

Can't wait.
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Quote insanebe Replybullet Posted: 03/May/2012 at 13:32
awesome pc :)

stick some fast ram in it while its cheap

Thats a big monitor lol, if you wanted to scale down the price a little i would start there. (but of course you don't lol )

Single big cards are always better than smaller SLI cards in my experience, be aware 3d lowers FPS performance but i have no experience in 3d gaming
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Quote Cyber_Tech Replybullet Posted: 03/May/2012 at 13:43
As far as I am aware SLi is best for 3D as you have one GPU per eye and get close to equivalent single card 2D performance since the two cards are rendering essentially the same frame with up to 4 inch lateral offset so is an ideal workload for a dual GPU system. So SLi is theoretically better for load balancing than a single GPU in this scenario.



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Quote taek9th Replybullet Posted: 03/May/2012 at 14:57
Ordered - went for this in the end. Single card but to be honest next month I'll prob stick another one in.

BLUETOOTH: None
CAS: NZXT Switch 810 Hybird Full Tower Gaming Case w/ Dual 140MM Pivot Fan Slots and Front USB 3.0
CASUPGRADE: NONE
CD: LG BH10LS38 10X Blu-Ray Rewriter & 16X DVD+/-R/+/-RW Drive (please select the Blue Ray software in the Software section) [+16]
CD2: NONE
COOL: High-Performance Non Conductive Coolant powered by Thermochill [+9] (Red Colour [+0])
CPNR1: Cyberpower Sound Absorbing Foam -- reducing audible noise transmitted through solid case panels by up to 75% [+19]
CPU: Intel(R) Core™ i5-3570K Quad Core 3.40 GHz 6MB Cache LGA1155 + HD Graphics ***Overclockable XXX*** [-80]
CS_FAN: Max. 3 x 120mm Silent Case Cooling Fans in selected case key areas for ultra silent operation [+23] (500-1,200 RPM SHARKOON Silent Eagle SE 120mm Modular Fans with Dimple Surface Blade and Twister Bearing 8-14 dBA (Custom PC Award Winning !!) [+18])
DONGLES: NONE
EXPAN: NONE
FA_HDD: None
FAN: Cyberpower Advanced WaterCooling Medium Kit (Including 240m Radiator, 750res Pump/Reservoir, Rosa CPU Block, High CFM Fans, Tubing, and Coolant) ***Overclockable XXX*** [+66] (Standard Color Tubing)
FLASHMEDIA: None
GLASS3D: NONE
HDD: 256 GB Crucial M4 Series SATA III Gaming MLC Solid State Disk [+87] (Single Hard Drive)
HDD2: 1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 7200RPM Hard Drive (Single Hard Drive) [+76] (Single Hard Drive)
HOMEINSTALL: NONE
IEEE_CARD: NONE
INSURANCE: NONE
KEYBOARD: NONE
MB_SRT: None
MEMORY: 16GB (2x8GB) PC12800 DDR3/1600mhz Dual Channel Memory [+94] (Corsair Vengeance w/Heat Spreader)
MONITOR: Asus 27" VG278H, 3D-Ready LED Monitor with Glasses, Full HD, 120Hz, HDMI DVI [+454]
MONITOR2: NONE
MONITOR3: NONE
MOTHERBOARD: Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 Intel Z68 Chipset CrossFire / SLI DDR3 ATX Mainboard w/ 4 RAM slots, BT GO! Lucid Virtu, Intel SRT, UEFI BIOS, Intel SRT, 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB3.0, 4x SATA-III RAID, 2 Gen3 PCIe X16, 1 Gen2 PCIe X16, 2 PCIe X1 & 2 PCI [+50]
MOUSE: NONE
NETWORK: ONBOARD 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT -- As standard on all PCs
OS: Microsoft(R) Windows(R) 7 Home Premium (64-bit Edition)
OVERCLOCK: XXX Overclocking (CPU Extreme overclock: guaranteed min. 20%, max. 30%.)
POWERSUPPLY: 1000 Watts Power Supplies [+37] (CoolerMaster 1000watt Silent Pro Gold Modular Gaming Power Supply, SLI/Crossfire ready [+24])
PRO_WIRING1: Professional Wiring for All WIRING Inside The System Chasis - Minimize Cable Exposure, Maximize Airflow in Your System [+19]
RUSH: NONE
SOFT1: McAfee AntiVirus Plus 2012 OEM [+7]
SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
SPEAKERS: NONE
TEMP: NONE
UPS: None
USB1: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
VC_PHYSX: None
VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 2GB 16X PCIe 3.0 Video Card [+175] (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
VIDEO2: None, or On-Board Integrated Graphics
VIDEO3: None, or On-Board Integrated Graphics
WARRANTY: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3 Year Labour, 1 Year Parts, 1 Month Collect and Return plus Life-Time Technical Support
WNC: PCI-E Wireless 802.11n 300Mbps Network Interface Card [+17]
XWNA: NONE

Thanks again for advice. Almost bought from Beast, glad I found you guys! Great community.
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Quote Cyber_Tech Replybullet Posted: 03/May/2012 at 19:08
Looks good.

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Quote insanebe Replybullet Posted: 06/May/2012 at 21:46
waiting for him to change his mind and ask for a GTX 690 lol
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Quote Cyber_Tech Replybullet Posted: 06/May/2012 at 23:15
If it was SLi 680 maybe worth it as you can run a non SLi board.

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Quote taek9th Replybullet Posted: 06/May/2012 at 23:17
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waiting for him to change his mind and ask for a GTX 690 lol


Hmm can I? :)

Also should I be going for full case fans and not the Sharkoon's?
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Quote Cyber_Tech Replybullet Posted: 07/May/2012 at 10:00
Can you afford it? Extra £400ish for the 690 over the 680. Extra GTX680 is slightly cheaper but you could drop to the £50 cheaper P8Z68V-LX motherboard with the GTX690 so it balances out.

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Quote insanebe Replybullet Posted: 07/May/2012 at 11:03
In practice there is nothing that touches this card, not even crysis on full settings......


those monsters are almost like 2 gtx 680's in sli ..... almost....but you would save space and have £800 gfx card most gamers would kill for.

also you would need case fans i think, the gtx 690 exhausts heat in both directions , out the back and into the case.

With that LX motherboard you have only 1 pcie 16x speed slot so no sli in the future, (but with a card like this would you need it? )

in the end its all about choice and how much you are willing to spend.


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Quote azza1991 Replybullet Posted: 07/May/2012 at 12:00
I beg to differ according to The Hexus:

Crysis2: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/38805-nvidia-geforce-gtx-690/?page=8

BF3: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/38805-nvidia-geforce-gtx-690/?page=7

The hexus tested them at usual gamer resolutions the one you brought up above is at a huge resolution, and as far as i can tell AMD cards have always had the advantage when it comes to really high res, maybe not usual 1980x1080 though.



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Quote taek9th Replybullet Posted: 07/May/2012 at 12:39
Here we go:


BLUETOOTH:None

CAS:NZXT Switch 810 Hybird Full Tower Gaming Case w/ Dual 140MM Pivot Fan Slots and Front USB 3.0

CASUPGRADE:NONE

CD:LG BH10LS38 10X Blu-Ray Rewriter & 16X DVD±R/±RW Drive (please select the Blue Ray software in the Software section) [+16]

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COOL:NONE

CPNR1:Cyberpower Sound Absorbing Foam -- reducing audible noise transmitted through solid case panels by up to 75% [+19]

CPU:Intel® Core™ i5-3570K Quad Core 3.40 GHz 6MB Cache LGA1155 + HD Graphics ***Overclockable XXX*** [-84]

CS_FAN:Maximum Case Cooling Fans for your selected case, and match the colour of the fans already in the case [+15]

DONGLES:NONE

EXPAN:NONE

FA_HDD:None

FAN:Cyberpower Advanced WaterCooling Large Kit (Including 360m Radiator, 750res Pump/Reservoir, Rosa CPU Block, High CFM Fans, Tubing, and Coolant) ***Overclockable XXX*** [+86] (Standard Color Tubing)

FLASHMEDIA:None

FREEBIE_CU:None

GLASS3D:NONE

HDD:256 GB Crucial M4 Series SATA III Gaming MLC Solid State Disk [+87] (Single Hard Drive)

HDD2:2TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64M Cache 7200RPM Hard Drive [+86] (Single Hard Drive)

HOMEINSTALL:NONE

IEEE_CARD:NONE

INSURANCE:NONE

KEYBOARD:NONE

MB_SRT:None

MEMORY:16GB (2x8GB) PC12800 DDR3/1600mhz Dual Channel Memory [+94] (Corsair Vengeance w/Heat Spreader)

MONITOR:NONE

MONITOR2:NONE

MONITOR3:NONE

MOTHERBOARD:Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 Intel Z68 Chipset CrossFire / SLI DDR3 ATX Mainboard w/ 4 RAM slots, BT GO! Lucid Virtu, Intel SRT, UEFI BIOS, Intel SRT, 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB3.0, 4x SATA-III RAID, 2 Gen3 PCIe X16, 1 Gen2 PCIe X16, 2 PCIe X1 & 2 PCI [+20]

MOUSE:NONE

NETWORK:ONBOARD 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT -- As standard on all PCs

OS:Microsoft® Windows® 7 Professional [+28] (64-bit Edition)

OVERCLOCK:XXX Overclocking (CPU Extreme overclock: guaranteed min. 20%, max. 30%.)

POWERSUPPLY:1000 Watts Power Supplies [+37] (CoolerMaster 1000watt Silent Pro Gold Modular Gaming Power Supply, SLI/Crossfire ready [+24])

PRO_WIRING1:CoolerMaster Thermal Fusion 400 Extreme Performance CPU - Thermal Compound Optimized for Thermal Dissipation [+9]

PRO_WIRING2:Professional Wiring for All WIRING Inside The System Chasis - Minimize Cable Exposure, Maximize Airflow in Your System [+19]

PRO_WIRING3:Ultra Enhanced Packaging Solution Mid Tower - Protect Your Dream System During Transit [+14]

RUSH:NONE

SOFT1:McAfee AntiVirus Plus 2012 OEM [+7]

SOUND:HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO

SPEAKERS:NONE

TEMP:NONE

UPS:None

USB1:Built-in USB 2.0 Ports

VC_PHYSX:None

VIDEO:NVIDIA GeForce GTX 690 4GB 16X PCIe 3.0 Dual GPU Video Card [+594] (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)

VIDEO2:None, or On-Board Integrated Graphics

VIDEO3:None, or On-Board Integrated Graphics

WARRANTY:STANDARD WARRANTY: 3 Year Labour, 1 Year Parts, 1 Month Collect and Return plus Life-Time Technical Support

WNC:PCI-E Wireless 802.11n 300Mbps Network Interface Card [+17]

Will call through and modify order - hope it's not too late!

(I got a call offering me a free upgrade to the ASUS Maximus MB the other day - not sure if it's worth sticking with this or changing to a cheaper Z77 board?)

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Quote Cyber_Tech Replybullet Posted: 07/May/2012 at 15:01
Originally posted by azza1991

I beg to differ according to The Hexus:

Crysis2: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/38805-nvidia-geforce-gtx-690/?page=8

BF3: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/38805-nvidia-geforce-gtx-690/?page=7

The hexus tested them at usual gamer resolutions the one you brought up above is at a huge resolution, and as far as i can tell AMD cards have always had the advantage when it comes to really high res, maybe not usual 1980x1080 though.

To be frank a card like the 690 is wasted on a 1080p 60Hz screen. Cards like this and 7990 come into their own at huge resolutions and higher refresh rates 120Hz or 3D or with mods that crank image quality beyond 'Ultra'. So many sites just test at pedestrian settings which completely misses the point of buying a top end product like the 690. It's like evaluating a supercar on it's usefulness on the school run.



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Quote azza1991 Replybullet Posted: 07/May/2012 at 18:24
Good point! But you'd still look good on those school runs ;)

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Quote Cyber_Tech Replybullet Posted: 07/May/2012 at 19:55
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Good point! But you'd still look good on those school runs ;)

Not when you bottom it out on the speed ramps!

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Quote azza1991 Replybullet Posted: 08/May/2012 at 09:57
Another good point, shoosh you!

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Quote insanebe Replybullet Posted: 08/May/2012 at 22:11
was gonna say who in there right mind would buy a £800 card and use a 1080p res :P
would be like buying a lotus and fitting a deisel engine

which maximus board there is about 50

http://uk.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/Maximus_V_GENE/
http://uk.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/Maximus_IV_GENEZGEN3/
http://uk.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/Maximus_IV_GENEZ/
http://uk.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/Maximus_IV_ExtremeZ/
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Quote Cyber_Tech Replybullet Posted: 08/May/2012 at 22:46
Looks like fun!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M_pJyZ3kjQ

Back on topic, Max V Gene Z77 chipset



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Quote insanebe Replybullet Posted: 08/May/2012 at 23:53
well i suppose its all about what you want, the maximus is a small atx board, the P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 is larger but older.
do you really need that blu ray re-writer.
And you havn't selected the Blue ray software you can't play blue ray movies without it, although you could try a free player like this

pc advisor review

DAPlayer

i would drop that for a standard optical drive saving £46 and get the Asus Sabertooth Intel Z77 for +£19.

The Asus Sabertooth brand is regarded as one of the best if not the best motherboard you can get for gaming.

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Quote taek9th Replybullet Posted: 09/May/2012 at 00:07
To be honest I can only take your word - what I will say is that this has gone from a 'get a gaming PC for around 2 grand' to 'how much can I spend on a gaming PC'.

So if you reckon that board is better than that's what I want in it. Had a little look and does appear to be well rated.

Sales team will probably start to get a little tired of me calling them all the time though!

Anything other recommendations? I reckon after tomorrow I'll just let them build it :)
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Quote insanebe Replybullet Posted: 09/May/2012 at 00:44
sorry :( enthusiast talking
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Quote taek9th Replybullet Posted: 09/May/2012 at 00:48
No worries - I'm spending a lot of money and want it to be perfect! Plus that board does look gucci :) So thanks!
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ASUS Range goes:

Rampage/Maximus/Crosshair (best for extreme OCs, tweakers and top drawer gamers, Quad SLi/CFX capability)
Deluxe/Workstation/Premium (best for power-users)
Sabertooth/Pro/Gene (best for mid range gamers)
Vannilla (e.g. P8Z68V)
LX (budget overclockers/gamers)

For price/performance the Sabertooth and Pro boards are usually the best choice to mid range builds. Gene is best for mATX builds in restricted cases but for the Z77/68 it's actually one of the best clocking boards so consider it for bigger builds where you don't need lots of PCI-E expansion slots.



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Quote taek9th Replybullet Posted: 09/May/2012 at 14:32
Went for the Sabertooth Z77. Hope you can work your overclocking magic on that and an i5 3570K!

Time to play the waiting game :(
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Good choice, I pushed that to 4.8GHz when testing the 3770 so yeah it'll do just fine.

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Quote taek9th Replybullet Posted: 21/May/2012 at 09:45
Yay 680's are in so hopefully my new toy will be built soon :) Can't wait to see it!
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