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bod1467
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![]() Topic: Your Warranty Info / DSRPosted: 29/Dec/2011 at 15:28 |
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http://www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk/company/warranty.aspx
Section 7 of your warranty/T&C info has some glaring mistakes and misinformation. I'll post back later with more detail. ;) |
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bod1467
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![]() Posted: 29/Dec/2011 at 19:27 |
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OK - here's my take on it ...
7. Your right of Cancellation. We, as an E-Tailer, are governed by the Distance selling act, as shown here. It's actually The Consumer Protection (Distance Selling) Regulations 2000 7.1 The "buyer" has a right to cancel this contract within 14 days from the date of invoice, provided a valid RMA number is obtained from a representative of the "seller". Wrong - DSR says 7 days commencing the day after receipt. And that's presuming you have notified the "buyer" of their rights under DSR (either in print on the invoice/despatch note, or via email - details on your website are not applicable as this is not a "durable means"). If you haven't then it is 3 months and 7 days 7.2 To exercise your right to cancel, you must contact the seller's Sales person by calling 0844 371 2727 and followed by E-mail (sales@cyberpowersystem.co.uk) giving all order information. Seems OK Note: the wording here differs with the T&Cs presented during the checkout process! 7.3 Once you have notified the "seller" and obtained a valid RMA number, you must ship all goods back to the "seller" within 7 working days. Once received within this timeframe, the "seller" will issue a refund the total sum for the purchase within 14 working days. Wrong - RMA is not necessarily relevant but not in itself wrong, but "buyer" has no legal requirement to return the goods prior to receiving a refund. "Seller" has 30 days to refund 7.4 Any damages to the goods "user damae" or missing items from the original invoice document will be deducted from the final refund sum. Wrong - refund must be made in full and any charges raised as a separate claim/action 7.5 The "seller" cannot under any circumstances issue refunds for software that has been activated or opened by the "buyer" (Outer packing removed and product installed on the PC). This is because any software activated is tied to the hardware of the PC and can not be re-activated on a different set of components. Provided the Operating System installed on the PC has not been activated, a refund for this can be issued. Please see section 13d of the Distance Selling Act for more information on this. Seems OK 7.6 If you cancel an order that has already commenced warehousing building stages, a sum of £30 will be charged for administration and labour costs to cover the work already done. Wrong - "seller" cannot charge any admin or restocking fee 7.7 Any services that were ordered with the goods, and/or any outlay from the "seller" in the manufacturing process of the "goods" are non-refundable. These services include Rush orders, professional wiring, overclocking and transportation. Services? OK. Outlay by "seller"? Not sure on this 7.8 All system must be returned by the "buyer" to the "seller" in original boxes and must have all manuals, cables, discs, documentation and any other accessories included. If the goods are found to be incomplete, the "seller" will deduct the amount from the final refund sum in order to cover costs for replacement items. Wrong - "buyer" is not duty-bound to have returned the goods prior to receiving a refund. Refund must be made in full then any charges raised as a separate action 7.9 The "buyer" is solely responsible to make sure that any returned goods are in a good working order, and in a resellable condition. Any goods found to be unacceptable in appearance (scratches, dents and/or general cosmetic damage), or not fit to re-sell will be deducted from the final refund sum. Wrong - "seller" cannot charge a restocking fee 7.10 Under no circumstances can the "seller" collect parts or whole products for refunds. Seems OK 7.11 Any products returned outside the time period will be subject to 25% restocking fee as standard. No refunds can be given after 45days from the date the "buyer" received the PC under any circumstances. Hmm. Provided "buyer" has notified intention to return within required time frame then no restocking fee can be charged 7.12 It is standard practice to make sure that any packages coming back to the "seller" are insured for damage and also signature registered by the postal company. Hmm. "Buyer" only has to send by a form of registered postal service. Logic dictates that a suitably-insured level of service is used NOTE: Other than section 7.2, the above T&Cs were copied from those presented during the checkout process. Just to clarify, in case there are any other discrepancies with the linked page. :) Edited by bod1467 - 29/Dec/2011 at 22:51 |
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Ian Xplorer X6-9200 |
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![]() Posted: 29/Dec/2011 at 22:01 |
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Wow, seems pretty complete. Shocks me that there seems to be no need for the buyer to send the goods back to get a refund - surely this is a massive liability for retailers?
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bod1467
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![]() Posted: 29/Dec/2011 at 22:49 |
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I know - but it's true (to the letter of DSRs). That said it hasn't been tested in court (AFAIK) so I doubt any retailer would refund without first having received the goods. This one item is probably the only thing I don't agree with regarding DSRs.
Essentially, DSRs allow a distant consumer* to be in the same position they would have been if they had ordered instore - i.e. given the opportunity to inspect goods before accepting them. * Distant means Online, Phone or Mail Order purchases, but excludes Reserve Online/Collect Instore purchases. |
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Cyber_Post
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![]() Posted: 31/Dec/2011 at 15:15 |
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Hi Ian,
Thanks for the info. I will get our solicitor to look over those points again. I don't want to have a legal argument over the forum. As a company you need to protect yourself, the law is there to protect each party. For an example 7.4, what is the point of refunding a customer and then taking them to court to claim the damages back? If a customer sends back a product that they have damaged, by law we do not have to refund them at all. If you walk into a shop and try and take back something it will be inspected and the shop would say you can't have a refund because it is damaged. with Cyberpower being a distant seller we need to asume all goods will be in good condition when returned. If not then we need to use the law to protect our business. |
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bod1467
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![]() Posted: 02/Jan/2012 at 11:50 |
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I don't intend having a legal argument over the forum.
I just thought it fair to make you aware of some elements of your T&Cs that don't appear to comply with the legislation that you link to. (I came across them whilst reading them during the order placement process - yes, I have an open order with you. ). On that subject, there appear to be discrepancies between the T&Cs on your website and those presented during order placement - including the Distance Selling links going to separate websites (unless you've now corrected this).
Please note: I'm not saying everything in the DSRs is fair; I've just given my interpretation of them. So my comment ref. 7.4 still stands, but I wouldn't expect any retailer to act differently to what you have stated. That said, you may need to be more subtle with your wording - your T&Cs cannot contract out a consumer's statutory rights.
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Cyber_Post
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![]() Posted: 03/Jan/2012 at 10:00 |
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Hi Ian,
No problem at all. We do regularly review these warranty terms and we would love to make them sound more welcoming but it is legal wording and sometimes there are something’s that need to be said in such legal terms. To be honest we do not have to rely on these very much. You can count the refunds from last year on one hand which is what we need to rely upon. If you sell quality products then you won't get into arguments with customers and this will enhance your reputation. All in all leading to your business growing
I'll get someone to have a look at your points as soon as the New Year rush dies down, and of course we will get right on your notebook order ! |
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bod1467
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![]() Posted: 30/Jan/2012 at 19:43 |
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Any feedback from Legal?
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bod1467
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![]() Posted: 07/Mar/2012 at 20:44 |
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Bump.
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bod1467
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![]() Posted: 12/Mar/2012 at 20:27 |
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Bumpy bump.
Edited by bod1467 - 12/Mar/2012 at 20:27 |
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Cyber_Post
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![]() Posted: 13/Mar/2012 at 11:50 |
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Hi Ian,
Were still busy at the moment. We do get these reviewed every year so we have not forgotten about them. You will be the first to know if / when these get changed. Luckily we have not had to rely on the T & C since this thread was started. This is the main aim. Sell quality products and rely on your support to get any issues resolved. |
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insanebe
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![]() Posted: 21/Apr/2012 at 12:08 |
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just for those interested guidance for distance selling regulations can be found here
http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/distance-selling-downloads/Explained/DSexplained_PDF.pdf most common way web retailers fall foul is restocking fees which are invalid |
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